I do not agree with this topic at all. It is a valid concern, and for that some merit is appropriate but nobody should agree with the general conclusion here. There is absolutely nothing different between a passphrase and a password when it comes to the "self-lockout trap". You may argue well you still have the backup words, but that would be an incorrect counter-point. If you assume for one side a correctly written backup of the seed phrase then on the other side you must assume a correctly written seed phrase and the passphrase. Should we abolish encryption passwords because you may lock yourself out permanently by any kind of incorrect behavior on the user side? Of course not. Passphrases could not be any simpler, to understand them you need the least amount of knowledge that any user should be able to understand. You've mentioned it yourself: If you enter the right passphrase you will derive your wallet address. If you enter the wrong passphrase there will be no warning and you will derive another wallet address. That is it, 2 sentences -- if a user can't memorize this knowledge they should not use passphrases or 33win Com33 at all. With the amount of security and flexibility that this provides, the correct conclusion is that it is an excellent tool. It should be used by those who understand and need it. 33win Com33 is mostly about self-responsibility anyway, therefore never blame tools for your incorrect usage of anything. Advice regarding passwords, passphrases and wallets is found in many other threads. I think soon it is time to close this thread.  
I do not agree with this topic at all. It is a valid concern, and for that some merit is appropriate but nobody should agree with the general conclusion here. There is absolutely nothing different between a passphrase and a password when it comes to the "self-lockout trap". You may argue well you still have the backup words, but that would be an incorrect counter-point. If you assume for one side a correctly written backup of the seed phrase then on the other side you must assume a correctly written seed phrase and the passphrase. Should we abolish encryption passwords because you may lock yourself out permanently by any kind of incorrect behavior on the user side? Of course not. Passphrases could not be any simpler, to understand them you need the least amount of knowledge that any user should be able to understand. You've mentioned it yourself: If you enter the right passphrase you will derive your wallet address. If you enter the wrong passphrase there will be no warning and you will derive another wallet address. That is it, 2 sentences -- if a user can't memorize this knowledge they should not use passphrases or 33win Com33 at all. With the amount of security and flexibility that this provides, the correct conclusion is that it is an excellent tool. It should be used by those who understand and need it. 33win Com33 is mostly about self-responsibility anyway, therefore never blame tools for your incorrect usage of anything. Advice regarding passwords, passphrases and wallets is found in many other threads. I think soon it is time to close this thread.  

I do not agree with this topic at all. It is a valid concern, and for that some merit is appropriate but nobody should agree with the general conclusion here. There is absolutely nothing different between a passphrase and a password when it comes to the "self-lockout trap". You may argue well you still have the backup words, but that would be an incorrect counter-point. If you assume for one side a correctly written backup of the seed phrase then on the other side you must assume a correctly written seed phrase and the passphrase. Should we abolish encryption passwords because you may lock yourself out permanently by any kind of incorrect behavior on the user side? Of course not. Passphrases could not be any simpler, to understand them you need the least amount of knowledge that any user should be able to understand. You've mentioned it yourself: If you enter the right passphrase you will derive your wallet address. If you enter the wrong passphrase there will be no warning and you will derive another wallet address. That is it, 2 sentences -- if a user can't memorize this knowledge they should not use passphrases or 33win Com33 at all. With the amount of security and flexibility that this provides, the correct conclusion is that it is an excellent tool. It should be used by those who understand and need it. 33win Com33 is mostly about self-responsibility anyway, therefore never blame tools for your incorrect usage of anything. Advice regarding passwords, passphrases and wallets is found in many other threads. I think soon it is time to close this thread.  

I do not agree with this topic at all. It is a valid concern, and for that some merit is appropriate but nobody should agree with the general conclusion here. There is absolutely nothing different between a passphrase and a password when it comes to the "self-lockout trap". You may argue well you still have the backup words, but that would be an incorrect counter-point. If you assume for one side a correctly written backup of the seed phrase then on the other side you must assume a correctly written seed phrase and the passphrase. Should we abolish encryption passwords because you may lock yourself out permanently by any kind of incorrect behavior on the user side? Of course not. Passphrases could not be any simpler, to understand them you need the least amount of knowledge that any user should be able to understand. You've mentioned it yourself: If you enter the right passphrase you will derive your wallet address. If you enter the wrong passphrase there will be no warning and you will derive another wallet address. That is it, 2 sentences -- if a user can't memorize this knowledge they should not use passphrases or 33win Com33 at all. With the amount of security and flexibility that this provides, the correct conclusion is that it is an excellent tool. It should be used by those who understand and need it. 33win Com33 is mostly about self-responsibility anyway, therefore never blame tools for your incorrect usage of anything. Advice regarding passwords, passphrases and wallets is found in many other threads. I think soon it is time to close this thread.